Talk:Eleďát

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Several Questions Concerning Eleďe Attitudes Towards the Incarnation

1. Doubtless you've answered this before, but did the Elenicoi leave before or after the Council of Nicaea? Were they orthodox in their beliefs?

2. What, then, is Eleďe doctrine about the incarnation(s) of Eileďan? What do they think about Arašei stories of his avatars?--are these viewed as incarnations equal to that of Iesu?

3. Is it theologically acceptable for the Eleďe to believe in more than one single Incarnation? (Tangent: what are the implications of this for antipodean Almeans?--is there an incarnation for the peoples beyond the Zone of Fire, or are they irredeemably damned? This is, of course, assuming that the Eleďe attitude towards salvation is something like that of medieval Christians.)

Regards, Adso de Fimnu 21:31, 23 November 2006 (PST)

1. After-- so they had a copy of the canonical books of the Bible; as I mentioned recently on the board, they planned to vist and trade with the Christians (they believed to be) in India.

2. Iesu is the most important incarnation, of course. It's more readily believed on Almea that there were other incarnations, such as that of the Sojourner, but this is not doctrine.

3. Yes, though there aren't many candidates. Zompist 11:41, 24 November 2006 (PST)

Ah. Thank you. Adso de Fimnu 17:26, 26 November 2006 (PST)

Well, in my opinion, if Erelaeans invent steamships or whatever that make the Northern Hemisphere accessible, I'd imagine the last problem might be solved by itself.

Other questions

My question is this: if the Patriarch of Avela is the head of the Church on Almea, is he in theory subject to the Pope in Oikumene, or not? In addition, it was mentioned that the patriarch of Kebropol declared his archdiocese independent of Avela... did he also maintain a theoretical subjection to Rome, or is it more like the Anglican Church? Lastly, what would be the attitude of the Arashei lands (Benecia etc.) to the Catholic magisterium? BGMan 17:45, 6 November 2007 (PST)

Wait, was the Bishop of Rome even acknowledged as the head of the whole Church in AD 325? I thought the (five or so?) different patriarchs around the Mediterranean at the time were more or less equal. I may be very wrong, of course. In any case, the Almean Church seems to me rather less centrally organized and bureaucratic than its terran counterpart. Adso de Fimnu 20:16, 6 November 2007 (PST)

To my knowledge, the bishops of Rome in 325 were already making universal claims, but the bishops of Antioch and Alexandria regarded themselves as their equals. (Constantinople was founded in 326.) As the Elenicoi were Greeks, they were probably faithful to the bishop of Alexandria. Zompist 20:40, 6 November 2007 (PST)

Any ideas on the existence of Elede in more far-flung parts of the world, such as Xurno or Skouras? My expectation for Xurno would be that there may be a small community in Inex, possibly due to the Elede dynasty's cultural exchanges with Xurno. Certainly, in Europe, Christians, or at least Catholics and Orthodox (Protestants not so much) appear to be very fond of art and music. BGMan 09:03, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

None in Skouras, as Jippirasti is extremely allergic to other religions, and probably not many in Xurno, which absorbs foreign technology happily enough, but distrusts foreign methods in business in science, and is actively hostile to foreign ideologies. Čeiy might have more openness to foreign religions. Zompist 16:47, 17 June 2008 (PDT)

I should have known better about Skouras, given Islamic attitudes here regarding apostates from their religion. Xurno sounds rather like China, India, or Japan vis-a-vis Christianity... although even in those countries Christians are 1-2% of the population. It's funny how you bring up Čeiy... the littler countries (like Korea here) seem to be more amenable to Christianity than the big proud ones. BGMan 12:05, 2 July 2008 (PDT)

Notes on "the challenge of Eleďát"

Upon reading this...

The rise of Eleďát has been a challenge, arguably a salutory one, for Eretald and especially for the followers of Caďinorian paganism. Social systems sometimes need a kick in the pants; Eleďát has forced people to argue for their convictions rather than assume them, and spurred the development of less superstitious and more ethical forms of paganism.

The Arašei were never considered progressive— quite the opposite; they were seen as a curious or embarrassing relic of ancient times, and were associated with the least advanced countries of Eretald. Eleďát, by contrast, was seen as something new, and associated with both rebellion against tyranny, and the advanced seafaring states. It thus aquired an association with modernity and liberalism. Ironically, perhaps, many Eleďi are in fact more dogmatic and less interested in the scientific method than educated pagans.

...it would appear to me that if one wants to compare Eretald to Europe, Eleďát would actually have a role more like that of the Protestants and phenomena such as the French Revolution rather than the Catholic Church, which is more like the established Caďinorian paganism. Rather interesting and ironic, I think... BGMan 11:20, 1 February 2009 (PST)

However, Cadhinorian paganism has been more open to science and the scientific method, a role taken over mostly by Protestants in Europe. And the equivalent of the French revolution would be a (highly improbable) Ctesiphonei Revolution, IMHO.--Yiuel 08:54, 2 February 2009 (PST)