Talk:Jippirasti

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A shout-out to Al-Bargit, who created the initial article on Jippirasti. Zompist 21:15, 3 August 2007 (PDT)

Thank you, mr Rosenfelder and I'm expecting to see a Tzuro grammar too. Al-Bargit 05:00, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

Derivation

I note the derivation translates "jippirasti" as "“I have heard Jippir”, with the implication “heard and obeyed”" It doesn't, however, give a derivation for 'Jippir' itself. Is there one? Furius 22:23, 11 August 2007 (PDT)

Not sure yet, although it's a nominalization— same derivational process as teŋŋir 'saint' from teŋ 'over'. Zompist 11:06, 12 August 2007 (PDT)

Comparison to terrestrial religions

I try to go easy on terrestrial comparisons, as I think they 'break the spell' and draw attention to the world-creation process. However, it's fine to discuss these things on the talk page.

Although Jippirasti has many superficial similarities to Islam (indeed, Jippirasutum would probably claim that Muslims already know Jippir under the name "Allah"), it is not related in the same way Eleďát is to Christianity. Many of its beliefs and customs are inherited from the practices of the Tžuro, such as those governing the fsava. Certain forms of Jippirasti, such as Fanpita, actually resemble Roman Catholicism in some ways more than Islam. Their attitude toward Eleďát seems similar to that of Muslims toward Christianity -- closer to the truth than pagans, but not perfect.

The obvious similarities to Islam are monotheism, a prophet, and the sudden military expansion, and to some extent the idea of the Tej and a fixed list of required actions. Obvious differences: the kinship system and the position of women are very different. Sources of other elements include Judaism, Buddhism, Gnosticism, and some Amerindian traditions; and due to my own background I probably can't create a monotheism without Christian influences. A subtle difference from Islam is that Muḥammad was a city merchant, and Islamic mores are thus easily compatible with sedentary life; Babur was a nomad who had no experience with cities. Naturally, Almean conditions (such as the conquest of Skouras, the rise of Dhekhnam and the interaction with Arcel) also helped determine how Jippirasti developed. Zompist 12:02, 20 August 2007 (PDT)

The discussion page certainly does seem to be a handy "appendix" area... I will certainly observe this rule in the future. BGMan 17:56, 4 September 2007 (PDT)