Talk:Uṭandal

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From other references it looks like the word should be Sxurendi, with /sk/ > /sx/.

Any other info on the language? From what I can tell it looks like Ečendi merges all the OS vowels into /a i u/, but then occasionally you've got an /e/ popping up. --Dunomapuka 08:32, 30 August 2007 (PDT)

You're right on Sxurendi... that's an inconsistency that dates back to the Historical Atlas. I'll check the phonology at home. Zompist 08:34, 30 August 2007 (PDT)

Dayyum. There shouldn't be any e. Well, Ečendi has just become Uṭandal. Zompist 19:03, 30 August 2007 (PDT)

Wow, that's rather drastic...glad I brought it up. --Dunomapuka 10:09, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

Yes, thanks for pointing it out. I like a/i/u vowel systems, so I didn't want to find a way to keep the e. The strange thing is that I've looked at the word Ečendi for more than ten years without ever noticing the problem. The derivation is the same, by the way-- from Old Skourene -epṭ 'strong'. I took the opportunity to use the correct Uṭandal plural (-a rather than -i) and to add the definite article -l. Zompist 11:00, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

As a further nitpick, the definite -l disappears in Namal (> Uṭandal Nama), but maybe you could explain this some other way. --Dunomapuka 11:51, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

You may want to save Ecendi by making it a Tzuro word. Al-Bargit 12:20, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

Fortunately Nama appears in just one place, so it's easier to keep the -l after all. And Ečendi couldn't be Tžuro; the cognate is Apač (plus a suffix), already seen as a king's name. Zompist 15:45, 31 August 2007 (PDT)

Given that, perhaps Ečendi is a Xurnese word? Perhaps the a-i-u system is rather loose like Arabic, with a realized as /æ/ or even /ɛ/ at times, and it ended up in Xurnese under that form? (Especially with the č-ṭ correspondence with Ṭeôši, where I'd expect it to appear as "Ûṭäddi" or some such...) BGMan 12:02, 13 July 2008 (PDT)

Nah— the Xurnese word for the Uṭandal is múres (pl. muré), which comes from Muḍureg. Zompist 16:09, 13 July 2008 (PDT)